How To Pass As A Canadian.
Sep. 18th, 2003 12:13 pmThis posting came about as a result of being mistaken for Canadian when I was in Alaska. It happened even after I stopped wearing the hat that said "RCMP - GRC - POLICE" on it, so I figure I must be doing something that gives off Canadian vibes... anyway. Here's a bit of a list.
1. Start by finding something about Canada that you definitely, genuinely like. It doesn't matter what it is. There has to be at least one thing about the nation that you really, really like, or it won't work. It can be anything from one of their sports teams to a city you visited to the fact that they use sugar in their soda instead of corn syrup to their beer. Doesn't matter. Pick something about the country that you really and truly like.
2. Now memorize the names of the provinces and territories. It isn't that hard. There's only ten provinces and three territories, although they're going to set aside a fourth fairly soon. You have to be able to recognize the names of provinces or else they'll spot you for an American in a second. Provinces: British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick. Territories: Yukon Territory, Northwest Territory, Nunavut. Bonus points for calling British Columbia 'BC' or knowing that officially it's 'Newfoundland and Labrador' - but you'll find people calling it that about as often as residents of Brooklyn, NY refer to their borough as 'Kings County', so don't worry too much. Provincial capitals are nice things to know but you don't need them necessarily, although you'll look like an ass if you get one wrong.
3. Now make damn sure you know that Ottawa is the national capital, Ontario is the province, and Toronto is the big city in Ontario that thinks it's New York. Toronto is also the provincial capital of Ontario. It is not, not, not the national capital. Make that mistake and they will laugh at you and tell you to go back to Texas.
4. Get yourself some Canadian friends. For preference, there should be at least two from different provinces, and it works much better if at least one does not live in the most famous city of their province. Any ijjit can claim to know someone in Toronto or Vancouver, but being able to casually say 'oh, I know someone in Nanaimo' gives you a bit more cred, since most Americans have only ever seen the city name on a map in an excite.com commercial. Being able to point to your friends' cities or towns of residence on a map is a definite bonus.
5. Learn the current prime minister's name. If you are talking to a Canadian and they suspect that you are an American, they will ask you what you think of Prime Minister Poutine. Should this happen, give them a Look and say you saw that episode of Talking To Americans, then say that while you have your disagreements with (insert PM's name here), you think he's doing a decent job, or stinky, or whatever. Right now the prime minister is a man namedJean Chretien. Find someone who can pronounce the name and make them say it for you until you can pronounce it reasonably correctly. You don't want to sound like President Bush, do you?
EDIT: As of 12 Dec. 2003, the Prime Minister of Canada is an entirely separate man named Paul Martin. Carry on.
6. Look up some Canadian bands and get to like at least one or two of their songs. Barenaked Ladies count, but only barely, and if you are asked about them you must say that you liked one of their very early albums years before they became popular in the States. If you decide on Moxy Fruvous, pick at least one serious song of theirs, because any fool can say they like their rendition of Spider-Man. Rush works too. Tom Cochrane of "Life Is A Highway" fame is Canadian, if you'd rather a bit of country flavour. You get double bonus points if at least one of your bands of choice is a Canadian hip-hop band, since most Americans don't believe such bands exist; you also get double bonus points if the band's music is primarily in French, although you may catch some flack for that if you talk to a Canadian who has reason to dislike Quebec.
7. Learn metric. I cannot emphasize this enough. You need to know metric, or at least be able to do fast approximate conversions in your head, if you are going to pass as a Canadian. The numbers you need to know most are volume measures and distance measures. Going 110 to 130 on the highway is fairly reasonable, since 110 kilometers per hour is around 55 mph. 3.2 miles comes out to around 5 kilometers. A standard can of soda or beer is 355 milliliters. They do not sell anything in quart measures, at least not in the English-speaking provinces; you can get a liter of (beverage) instead, which is smaller than a quart, though not by much. You really need to know volume measures because that is how they charge for gas; gas looks cheap for all of two seconds when you're up there and see signs saying '76 cents regular unleaded'. This is not what it looks like. That's 76 cents a liter, and there are more than four liters in a gallon, and even though the Canadian dollar is smaller than the American it's still pretty damn expensive by American standards. Bottom line: know metric.
8. Oh, yeah, when you write you need to remember that it's not 'color', 'flavor', 'honor', etc, but 'colour', 'flavour', and so on. Canadians use the letter 'z' more often than British people do - they're willing to spell it 'civilization' - but they refer to it as zed. You must not say 'zee' when reciting or singing the alphabet because that is an American thing to do and it will give you away faster than Prime Minister Poutine.
9. There are a number of Canadian-American word conflicts but they are not as numerous as British-American ones. It's still a truck, not a lorry - but in Canada the thing you wear on your head in winter is a toque (get someone to pronounce it for you) and if someone asks about your Chesterfield they mean your couch, not your cigarette. A summer home or weekend home or other place you own or rent for vacation purposes is a cottage. You occasionally hear 'about' pronounced 'aboat', but it's not as prominent as American imitators of Canadian accents would like you to believe. Neither is the use of 'eh?'. If you say 'eh?' instead of 'hmm?' or 'huh?' you're in good shape, but if you push it too far you sound like a damn fool hick. Also, do not say 'y'all'. I don't care where you're really from. Don't say it if you're trying to pass as Canadian.
10. Since I brought him up, Prime Minister Poutine is a good example of Canadian foodstuffs, and you must recognize at least some of them. Poutine is, in fact, a French-Canadian dish designed to kill off all the Anglophones by plugging their arteries. It is French fries upon which some demented escapee from Wisconsin has dumped cheese curds, which are then liberally doused in gravy. It tastes really good but it'll kill you really fast. You can get it at Burger Kings as far away as Vancouver, so it's something you kind of need to know no matter where in Canada you look like you're from. Other Canadian foodstuffs - well, let's see. It's not 'Canadian bacon' up there, it's 'back bacon'. The stuff in a blue box isn't Macaroni and Cheese, it's Kraft Dinner, and it's practically the national dish, so you had better call it Kraft Dinner. You'll probably also need to recognize sugar pies (they're from Quebec) and beaver tails. Only hunters actually eat the tails of beavers - in the rest of the country a beaver tail is a big flat sweet pastry and you will really look like a fool if you are not aware of this. Canadians also have a lot more in the way of Nestle chocolate than Americans do, so don't bother looking for or mentioning Hershey products; if you want something like M&M's, ask for a box of Smarties. They're smaller and a bit sweeter but they're basically the same thing. American Smarties are small chalky vaguely fruity things, and no real Canadian would ever confuse the two.
11. Learn a few Canadian political issues and decide on some kind of stand about them. You need to have an opinion about Quebec, which keeps trying to leave - sort of. Look, I ran into a member of the Partie Quebecois (the pro-independence people - scary bunch) in bloody Florida, so they're everywhere and you had better get used to it. You should probably have some kind of an opinion about SARS and Toronto, although that's relatively recent and not all that important. Acid rain is something else you need to know about, since it's a very big thing for them. You may want to learn a bit about the issues surrounding Native fishing rights, the territory of Nunavut, the new territory they're working on that has the diamond mines in it, long-term drought in the prairie provinces (Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan), and so on. Definitely look up the current Canadian position on any big international thing the U.S. has gotten itself involved in, because they will either ask you about your opinion or kvetch about the States' behavior, and either way you will need to at least know what the Canadians think even if you agree 100% with the American way of handling it.
12. Speaking of issues - even if you are in a political argument you are going to have to be reasonably calm and polite. You may have one issue that drives you to froth at the mouth, but that's it. Even really acrimonious debates in Canada are generally conducted calmly, which makes them even scarier than American ones. Which is scarier, someone yelling his fool head off on the O'Reilly Factor or someone very calmly saying to the press that the election would've succeeded if it weren't for all these damn immigrants, and meaning it? When you are not in political arguments you should still make an effort to be reasonably calm during big discussions. Sports, however, are an okay thing to get emotional over.
13. Find out what both Toronto and Vancouver look like, because amazing amounts of American TV and movies are filmed in those two cities. You make a very convincing Canadian if you snigger at recognizable Canadian landmarks during X-Files episodes or Jackie Chan movies. Bulletproof Monk, however, is such a gimme that you only get Canadian cred points if you howl with laughter; they didn't bother hiding the Ontario license plates on the cars, a night shot of the city shows the CN tower, and at one point a character says "This is America!" while standing in front of Toronto City Hall.
14. Do not pester the damn Mounties. Yes, their dress uniforms are very pretty and yes, you probably want a picture of one. They're police, okay? They want to do their jobs just like anybody else. They will pull your sorry ass over for speeding faster than you can say 'boo', just like a state trooper would in the States. Unless you have a very compelling reason to want a photograph of a policeman (the equivalent of 'my brother was rescued from the World Trade Center and you're a New York City cop and I was hoping...'), leave the poor buggers alone and smile faintly at anyone who does bother then, for lo, the people doing the bothering are Tourists. And since you are passing as a Canadian, you are not a Tourist.
15. If you are wrong, or if you irritate someone, or if you ask a question and you are not quite sure how it will be received, apologize. A basic "I'm sorry" will do just fine. Since the perception of American manners is very poor, you will stand out as being less likely to be a Yank should you make a point of apologizing regularly. Don't do it too much or they'll think you're weird, but apologizing is generally a pretty good 'background radiation' thing to do.
16. Eeeee, I almost forgot... Memorize a good chunk of one or more famous lists of differences between Canada and the United States. The "Molson's Rant" is a good choice; you can probably find it by looking up the phrase "My name is Joe, and I am Canadian" on Google. Dave Foley, of Kids in the Hall, did a very good humorous one on an episode of MAD TV but you must be able to cite him as the source. If you cannot memorize these things, then get hold of a Canadian TV program like Talking To Americans and watch a couple of episodes so that you can at least cite that; if nothing else, Canadians generally know things like, oooh, which of the provinces have access to the ocean and which don't, whereas most Americans could probably be made to say that you get real fine surfing in Alberta.
That's all I can think of at the moment.
1. Start by finding something about Canada that you definitely, genuinely like. It doesn't matter what it is. There has to be at least one thing about the nation that you really, really like, or it won't work. It can be anything from one of their sports teams to a city you visited to the fact that they use sugar in their soda instead of corn syrup to their beer. Doesn't matter. Pick something about the country that you really and truly like.
2. Now memorize the names of the provinces and territories. It isn't that hard. There's only ten provinces and three territories, although they're going to set aside a fourth fairly soon. You have to be able to recognize the names of provinces or else they'll spot you for an American in a second. Provinces: British Columbia, Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick. Territories: Yukon Territory, Northwest Territory, Nunavut. Bonus points for calling British Columbia 'BC' or knowing that officially it's 'Newfoundland and Labrador' - but you'll find people calling it that about as often as residents of Brooklyn, NY refer to their borough as 'Kings County', so don't worry too much. Provincial capitals are nice things to know but you don't need them necessarily, although you'll look like an ass if you get one wrong.
3. Now make damn sure you know that Ottawa is the national capital, Ontario is the province, and Toronto is the big city in Ontario that thinks it's New York. Toronto is also the provincial capital of Ontario. It is not, not, not the national capital. Make that mistake and they will laugh at you and tell you to go back to Texas.
4. Get yourself some Canadian friends. For preference, there should be at least two from different provinces, and it works much better if at least one does not live in the most famous city of their province. Any ijjit can claim to know someone in Toronto or Vancouver, but being able to casually say 'oh, I know someone in Nanaimo' gives you a bit more cred, since most Americans have only ever seen the city name on a map in an excite.com commercial. Being able to point to your friends' cities or towns of residence on a map is a definite bonus.
5. Learn the current prime minister's name. If you are talking to a Canadian and they suspect that you are an American, they will ask you what you think of Prime Minister Poutine. Should this happen, give them a Look and say you saw that episode of Talking To Americans, then say that while you have your disagreements with (insert PM's name here), you think he's doing a decent job, or stinky, or whatever. Right now the prime minister is a man named
EDIT: As of 12 Dec. 2003, the Prime Minister of Canada is an entirely separate man named Paul Martin. Carry on.
6. Look up some Canadian bands and get to like at least one or two of their songs. Barenaked Ladies count, but only barely, and if you are asked about them you must say that you liked one of their very early albums years before they became popular in the States. If you decide on Moxy Fruvous, pick at least one serious song of theirs, because any fool can say they like their rendition of Spider-Man. Rush works too. Tom Cochrane of "Life Is A Highway" fame is Canadian, if you'd rather a bit of country flavour. You get double bonus points if at least one of your bands of choice is a Canadian hip-hop band, since most Americans don't believe such bands exist; you also get double bonus points if the band's music is primarily in French, although you may catch some flack for that if you talk to a Canadian who has reason to dislike Quebec.
7. Learn metric. I cannot emphasize this enough. You need to know metric, or at least be able to do fast approximate conversions in your head, if you are going to pass as a Canadian. The numbers you need to know most are volume measures and distance measures. Going 110 to 130 on the highway is fairly reasonable, since 110 kilometers per hour is around 55 mph. 3.2 miles comes out to around 5 kilometers. A standard can of soda or beer is 355 milliliters. They do not sell anything in quart measures, at least not in the English-speaking provinces; you can get a liter of (beverage) instead, which is smaller than a quart, though not by much. You really need to know volume measures because that is how they charge for gas; gas looks cheap for all of two seconds when you're up there and see signs saying '76 cents regular unleaded'. This is not what it looks like. That's 76 cents a liter, and there are more than four liters in a gallon, and even though the Canadian dollar is smaller than the American it's still pretty damn expensive by American standards. Bottom line: know metric.
8. Oh, yeah, when you write you need to remember that it's not 'color', 'flavor', 'honor', etc, but 'colour', 'flavour', and so on. Canadians use the letter 'z' more often than British people do - they're willing to spell it 'civilization' - but they refer to it as zed. You must not say 'zee' when reciting or singing the alphabet because that is an American thing to do and it will give you away faster than Prime Minister Poutine.
9. There are a number of Canadian-American word conflicts but they are not as numerous as British-American ones. It's still a truck, not a lorry - but in Canada the thing you wear on your head in winter is a toque (get someone to pronounce it for you) and if someone asks about your Chesterfield they mean your couch, not your cigarette. A summer home or weekend home or other place you own or rent for vacation purposes is a cottage. You occasionally hear 'about' pronounced 'aboat', but it's not as prominent as American imitators of Canadian accents would like you to believe. Neither is the use of 'eh?'. If you say 'eh?' instead of 'hmm?' or 'huh?' you're in good shape, but if you push it too far you sound like a damn fool hick. Also, do not say 'y'all'. I don't care where you're really from. Don't say it if you're trying to pass as Canadian.
10. Since I brought him up, Prime Minister Poutine is a good example of Canadian foodstuffs, and you must recognize at least some of them. Poutine is, in fact, a French-Canadian dish designed to kill off all the Anglophones by plugging their arteries. It is French fries upon which some demented escapee from Wisconsin has dumped cheese curds, which are then liberally doused in gravy. It tastes really good but it'll kill you really fast. You can get it at Burger Kings as far away as Vancouver, so it's something you kind of need to know no matter where in Canada you look like you're from. Other Canadian foodstuffs - well, let's see. It's not 'Canadian bacon' up there, it's 'back bacon'. The stuff in a blue box isn't Macaroni and Cheese, it's Kraft Dinner, and it's practically the national dish, so you had better call it Kraft Dinner. You'll probably also need to recognize sugar pies (they're from Quebec) and beaver tails. Only hunters actually eat the tails of beavers - in the rest of the country a beaver tail is a big flat sweet pastry and you will really look like a fool if you are not aware of this. Canadians also have a lot more in the way of Nestle chocolate than Americans do, so don't bother looking for or mentioning Hershey products; if you want something like M&M's, ask for a box of Smarties. They're smaller and a bit sweeter but they're basically the same thing. American Smarties are small chalky vaguely fruity things, and no real Canadian would ever confuse the two.
11. Learn a few Canadian political issues and decide on some kind of stand about them. You need to have an opinion about Quebec, which keeps trying to leave - sort of. Look, I ran into a member of the Partie Quebecois (the pro-independence people - scary bunch) in bloody Florida, so they're everywhere and you had better get used to it. You should probably have some kind of an opinion about SARS and Toronto, although that's relatively recent and not all that important. Acid rain is something else you need to know about, since it's a very big thing for them. You may want to learn a bit about the issues surrounding Native fishing rights, the territory of Nunavut, the new territory they're working on that has the diamond mines in it, long-term drought in the prairie provinces (Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan), and so on. Definitely look up the current Canadian position on any big international thing the U.S. has gotten itself involved in, because they will either ask you about your opinion or kvetch about the States' behavior, and either way you will need to at least know what the Canadians think even if you agree 100% with the American way of handling it.
12. Speaking of issues - even if you are in a political argument you are going to have to be reasonably calm and polite. You may have one issue that drives you to froth at the mouth, but that's it. Even really acrimonious debates in Canada are generally conducted calmly, which makes them even scarier than American ones. Which is scarier, someone yelling his fool head off on the O'Reilly Factor or someone very calmly saying to the press that the election would've succeeded if it weren't for all these damn immigrants, and meaning it? When you are not in political arguments you should still make an effort to be reasonably calm during big discussions. Sports, however, are an okay thing to get emotional over.
13. Find out what both Toronto and Vancouver look like, because amazing amounts of American TV and movies are filmed in those two cities. You make a very convincing Canadian if you snigger at recognizable Canadian landmarks during X-Files episodes or Jackie Chan movies. Bulletproof Monk, however, is such a gimme that you only get Canadian cred points if you howl with laughter; they didn't bother hiding the Ontario license plates on the cars, a night shot of the city shows the CN tower, and at one point a character says "This is America!" while standing in front of Toronto City Hall.
14. Do not pester the damn Mounties. Yes, their dress uniforms are very pretty and yes, you probably want a picture of one. They're police, okay? They want to do their jobs just like anybody else. They will pull your sorry ass over for speeding faster than you can say 'boo', just like a state trooper would in the States. Unless you have a very compelling reason to want a photograph of a policeman (the equivalent of 'my brother was rescued from the World Trade Center and you're a New York City cop and I was hoping...'), leave the poor buggers alone and smile faintly at anyone who does bother then, for lo, the people doing the bothering are Tourists. And since you are passing as a Canadian, you are not a Tourist.
15. If you are wrong, or if you irritate someone, or if you ask a question and you are not quite sure how it will be received, apologize. A basic "I'm sorry" will do just fine. Since the perception of American manners is very poor, you will stand out as being less likely to be a Yank should you make a point of apologizing regularly. Don't do it too much or they'll think you're weird, but apologizing is generally a pretty good 'background radiation' thing to do.
16. Eeeee, I almost forgot... Memorize a good chunk of one or more famous lists of differences between Canada and the United States. The "Molson's Rant" is a good choice; you can probably find it by looking up the phrase "My name is Joe, and I am Canadian" on Google. Dave Foley, of Kids in the Hall, did a very good humorous one on an episode of MAD TV but you must be able to cite him as the source. If you cannot memorize these things, then get hold of a Canadian TV program like Talking To Americans and watch a couple of episodes so that you can at least cite that; if nothing else, Canadians generally know things like, oooh, which of the provinces have access to the ocean and which don't, whereas most Americans could probably be made to say that you get real fine surfing in Alberta.
That's all I can think of at the moment.
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Date: 2003-09-18 09:51 am (UTC)Hmm, Kraft dinner. Due to its sound and how it has to do with food, it reminds me of Craft Service, but that's Hollywood and not Canada.
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Date: 2003-09-18 10:16 am (UTC)$ units You have: 1 quart You want: ml * 946.35295 You have: 1 gallon You want: ml * 3785.4118If you're pretending to be Canadian, you can probably sucessfully claim not to have known what a quart was, though.
Oh, smeg.
Date: 2003-09-18 10:47 am (UTC)Re: Oh, smeg.
Date: 2003-09-19 03:12 pm (UTC)$ units You have: brquart You want: ml * 1136.5248 You have: brgallon You want: ml * 4546.0993So your point was wrong for Americans, but it was appropriate for the Commonwealth!Oy.
Date: 2003-09-19 04:22 pm (UTC)Considering all the effort my great-grandparents went to in order to get out of the Commonwealth and into this country, you'd think I'd have an easier time sticking to the local system... then again both of the English ones were illegal immigrants, one sneaking in through Mexico, the other through Canada. Ah well.
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Date: 2003-09-18 10:19 am (UTC)Not that I'm all proud to be an American, but really, you've got to draw the line somewhere. And I say let the damn French wanna-bes secede and be done with it. No one wants to be associated with the French anymore anyway unless they've suffered severe head trauma.
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Date: 2003-09-18 10:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-18 10:50 am (UTC)*politely ignores the frothing above her*
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Date: 2003-09-18 11:21 am (UTC)*hugs*
LMG
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Date: 2003-09-18 11:25 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-18 11:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-18 11:31 am (UTC)At the very least, a Canadian should know when Hockey Night in Canada airs on the CBC, and have an opinion about Don Cherry (a former player who is fanatically conservative and whose politics intrudes on his opinions about hockey).
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Date: 2003-09-18 11:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-18 01:15 pm (UTC)...I hope I don't get deported.
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Date: 2003-09-18 01:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-09-18 01:11 pm (UTC)* You needn't worry about saying 'zee' and not 'zed'. Lots of Canadians say 'zee', I think - maybe it varies by location. I tend to use either or.
* Metric schmetric. Yeah, you'd better know kilometers vs. miles, but if you tell me that your friend is such-and-such meters tall, I will squint at you and look puzzled. We do use feet and yards here fairly often - often enough for feet /and/ meter measurements to be on packaging.
* Many Canadians don't listen to Canadian bands, really. Radio and TV stations have 'Canadian Content' quotas to meet that ensures Canadian music is given air time, but that's about it.
Canadian Bands: Great Big Sea, Barenaked Ladies (earlier albums! earlier albums, yes!), and to get Canadians in a nutshell, you might want to try The Arrogant Worms, who sing very funny songs, some of which are about being Canadian. (The Mountie Song, Canada is Really Big, Proud to be Canadian, Forgive Us - We're Canadian, with a nod to The Last Saskatchewan Pirate as a highly Canadian song.) Oh, and Nickelback, I guess, but I don't really care for them.
* Yeah, your Smarties sound like they suck. We have M&Ms, too, seriously. And Hershey bars. And try a Coffee Crisp, too.
* Just be nice and polite. Say 'thank you' to people who help you out, whether they hold a door open for you, ring you through their cash register, or slow down to let you cross the road in front of them. Actually, 'thank you' isn't too great in that last one, but you can mouth it. Smiling is good, too. We don't care if you're American unless /you/ care you're an American and feel the need to keep pointing that out or be rude and loud. So, for most people, that just means 'be yourself', because most people aren't frigging morons. Be aware if you're falling into the loud, bossy American tourist stereotype. You probably won't. You're probably fine over in Canada. The people who need to read stuff like this probably aren't ever going to. We like Americans fine for the most part, and if you meet a Canadian that gets all vehement at you just because you're American, he or she's kind of a hoser. S'all good.
Now please come to Canada and give us your American money. I could probably lead a life of luxury with one of your fifty-dollar bills, eh?
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Date: 2003-09-18 01:29 pm (UTC)Wasn't quite sure on the feet/meters thing - miles/km yes, mL and L/oz. and qt., yes, feet/meters no.
Well aware that Canadians don't necessarily listen to their own bands, but an American who is unaware of the fact that certain bands are Canadian is an American who is going to give himself or herself away. Picking a few Canadian bands to appreciate is a good way of making it clear to yourself that you actually know the country has its own damn entertainment industry, independent of *twitch* Degrassi Junior High *spaz*.
Coffee Crisp is good, but it could be a hell of a lot stronger, if you ask me. Then again the last time I had it was a few years ago in Tofino and I don't know how long it was in that vending machine. I rather like American Smarties, but that's because I got a lot of them at Halloween as a kid. Y'all have some really killer Cadbury candies, too, I like the eggs. What bugs me about your junk food, though, is that Mountain Dew has been effectively neutered. No caffeine added to sodas that aren't cola-based or otherwise naturally caffeinated? Feh.
Mostly this was written because I get a kick out of being mistaken for something I'm not; it's a sign that I have actually been paying enough attention to said culture or country to absorb the little signals they give off. Anthro major, what can I say.
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Date: 2003-09-18 11:15 pm (UTC)For campfire singing fare, add Stan Rogers to your Arrogant Worms -- "Barrett's Privateers" is always good in the circles I bumble about in, only it's damn depressing.
-- Lorrie
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Date: 2003-09-19 11:36 am (UTC)How could I forget Tim Horton's (http://www.timhortons.com/)? Aw, geez!
-- Lorrie
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Date: 2003-10-31 01:51 pm (UTC)And I, sadly, pronounce it "zee" *facepalm* Stupid American kid TV shows, corrupting me before kindergarden.
*laughs* This post was great, really great.
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Date: 2003-10-31 04:47 pm (UTC)Learn half the national anthem.
That's all. Just half. There are very few free countries I can think of where the average citizen knows the whole national anthem, or even an entire verse thereof. Learn the tune of the anthem so you can hum along with it or fake lipsync at sporting events, but words? All you need to know is the first few lines and the last few lines. Nobody ever learns the whole national anthem all the way through, so if you can get as far as 'true patriot love in all thy sons command' and pick it up again somewhere around 'O Canada, we stand on guard for thee' or a little before, you should be fine.
Anyone attempting to pass as an American should be aware that nobody actually sings the Star Spangled Banner unless they are being paid for it or are very very very very patriotic or drunk. The tune is nearly unsingable without a serious warm-up and the words just go on and on. Under no circumstances should anyone trying to pass for American learn more than the first verse, unless they are trying to get on a game show. Most Americans aren't even aware that their national anthem has more than one verse, let alone four. (One of the verses is no longer printed in most books, because it is incredibly insulting and warlike towards the British.)
Wow . . .
Date: 2003-11-01 08:31 pm (UTC)Re: Wow . . .
Date: 2003-11-03 10:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-26 05:47 pm (UTC)You did forget Tim Horton's. You either suggest, "Let's go for coffee," or "Let's go to Timmy's." I don't think in all my life I've ever heard "Let's go to Baskin Robins (or similar)" and it wouldn't be used unless another cofee chain was the only place in town- which it wouldn't be, since Timmy's pervades.
You don't have to apologise all the time (but it's part of my personality by now; I apologise to someone when they bump into me). You're not saying "I'm sorry that you're hurt/I stepped on you/you dumped coffee on me" but more, "I'm sorry that this whole unfortunate encounter had to happen." Apologising means you're not going to pull a "You deserved it, loser!" thing.
If you're going to rant about "The damn French" be talking about the Quebecois French, not the French French. Canada actually doesn't have a beef with France, unlike Americans.
(Y'all is used in rural Alberta but only among other rural Albertans. There's a switch we use to turn the y'all-ing off during "cowboy" events like the Calgary Stampede, because all the city slickers are doing it and we don't need to use 'y'all' to act all cowboyish)
The leaders of the provinces are Premiers, not Governors.
It is not, never has been, and never will be 'soda'. It's 'pop'.
The anglicised method of saying 'Quebec' is 'kwah-beck' but 'keh-bec' is more proper for an Anglophone- stick with 'keh-beck' and don't try the proper French pronunciation unless you speak some degree of French.
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Date: 2004-05-26 06:06 pm (UTC)Yes, you're right, I did. *hangs head in shame* Although I think you meant Dunkin Donuts as the alternative, since Baskin-Robbins sells ice cream this side of the border and I don't know what they sell on your side. For what it's worth, Timmy's is assimilating northern New York State, slowly but inexorably.
You're not saying "I'm sorry that you're hurt/I stepped on you/you dumped coffee on me" but more, "I'm sorry that this whole unfortunate encounter had to happen."
Oh, yeah. Will and Ian Ferguson's How To Be A Canadian Even If You Already Are One includes a chapter on the Fourteen Ways to Say 'I'm Sorry', only one of which is meant as a genuine apology. Myself, I tend to apologise too much anyway- but I was doing that long before I ever got interested in Canada. (I once got yelled at by a friend who lives in Brampton because I was apologising too much. We were in New York City at the time.)
Y'all is used in rural Alberta but only among other rural Albertans.
One more piece of evidence that Alberta is to Canada what Texas is to the States. Big, flat, full of cows and oil and cranky people. Though probably not as prone to producing embarrassing heads of state.
The leaders of the provinces are Premiers, not Governors.
It took me a while to get used to that. Not the 'instead of Governors' part, just the Premiers part- that always seems like a national-level title to me, for some reason.
It is not, never has been, and never will be 'soda'. It's 'pop'.
Depending on where you are in the States, this is also true. Someone from Ohio will have an easier time remembering this one than I do, since in the New York City area where I was raised, it's soda, dammit. Mind you, there are stretches down South where all soda is Coke- even orange soda. Even soda made by other companies. "What kind of Coke you want?" "Root beer."
'keh-bec' is more proper for an Anglophone
Good, 'cos that's how I was raised to pronounce it anyway.
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Date: 2004-05-26 06:12 pm (UTC)My bad on Baskin Robbins. I always thought they were a coffee place... but that's because we don't have that many up here. We definitely don't have many Dunkin donuts- in fact- I'm scouring my brains to think of an alternative coffee place, posh coffee places where a coffee is $3.50 plus GST aside.
I agree with you on Alberta, but at least we're less cranky than Quebec.
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Date: 2004-05-26 06:41 pm (UTC)There's actually a hysterical book on this topic, called "How to Be A Canadian". Friends of ours in Toronto got it for us when we were considering moving up there. (Sadly, we realized my other half has seasonal affected disorder, and Boston's bad enough for that.)
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Date: 2004-05-26 06:49 pm (UTC)...aaand two and a half years later, a long-assed driveby comment!
Date: 2008-01-04 03:59 pm (UTC)I found your post while surfing LJ (for knitting stuff, how random is that?), and I couldn't resist commenting (I'd probably get my Canadaphile licence revoked if I didn't). *g*
1. Start by finding something about Canada that you definitely, genuinely like. It doesn't matter what it is.
If it's politics, they might think you're Canadian, but they'll probably also think you're a dork. If they find out you're American and like Canadian politics, they might think you have waaay too much time on your hands. Not that I have any first-hand experience or anything. Um. *looks innocent*
the fact that they use sugar in their soda instead of corn syrup
I didn't know that. They also still use cyclamates, which have been banned in the US for years. But then, *surfs Wikipedia* we still use saccharin, which is for the most part banned in Canada. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
2. There's only ten provinces and three territories, although they're going to set aside a fourth fairly soon.
Is this something that was talked about that ended up not happening? I've never heard about the possibility of a new territory.
Territories: Yukon Territory, Northwest Territory, Nunavut.
It's actually Northwest Territories. I hear 'Territory' a lot, and I can't figure out where it came from.
3. Now make damn sure you know that Ottawa is the national capital, Ontario is the province
Ooh, an Ottawa reference! Now I can nonchalantly link you to My Big Fat Ottawa Vacation Picture Post (http://primroseburrows.livejournal.com/405525.html) (really, go look; it's got lots of pretty pictures of Parliament Hill and other dorky things). :D Ottawa is tied with Boston for my favourite city in the universe. I'd probably say I like it more than Boston if I wasn't afraid of being thrown out of New England.
4. Get yourself some Canadian friends.
I have a few of those. From Nova Scotia and Ontario, mostly, not counting LJ-friends I haven't met IRL.
but being able to casually say 'oh, I know someone in Nanaimo' gives you a bit more cred
I don't know anyone in Nanaimo, but I know how to make Nanaimo bars. Does this give me Food Cred?
5. EDIT: As of 12 Dec. 2003, the Prime Minister of Canada is an entirely separate man named Paul Martin. Carry on.
UPDATE: As of 6 Feb. 2006, the Prime Minister of Canada is yet another entirely separate man named Stephen Harper. Unfortunately (I'd throw in a rant here, but luckily for you there's a word limit for comments).
6. If you decide on Moxy Fruvous, pick at least one serious song of theirs, because any fool can say they like their rendition of Spider-Man.
But I DO like their rendition of Spider-Man! Actually, there's basically nothing I don't like by teh Fruvous. Also, I might have a tiny crush on Jian Ghomeshi.
7. The best way I've found to learn metric is by not converting it to English. That way you just know that a thing is, say ten centimetres long, and you learn to judge after you've seen a bunch of things that are ten centimetres long. It works even better for Celsius. If you know it's always this warm or this cool or this blazing hot when it's a certain degree, start to be able to figure it out by feel instead of doing the whole division by 5/9 or 9/5 thing that I've never been able to figure out (besides, I can't do fractions. I fail at math, literally.
8. Oh, yeah, when you write you need to remember that it's not 'color', 'flavor', 'honor', etc, but 'colour', 'flavour', and so on.
I've been doing that since I was about twelve, but it really has nothing to do with Canada. I just decided one day that British spelling was prettier. My teachers weren't too happy. I mostly use the 'ise' ending, too, which isn't very Canadian (although it's not likely people would mistake me for a Brit).
in Canada the thing you wear on your head in winter is a toque (get someone to pronounce it for you)
Speaking of which, I've been looking for a decent non-boring toque pattern to knit, specifically with cables. Do you know of any (I was surfing knitting, remember?)
(continued in Part the Second. Yes, I am a dork)
Re: ...aaand two and a half years later, a long-assed driveby comment!
Date: 2008-01-04 04:06 pm (UTC)Actually, that was mild confusion on my part re: some information I had about Nunavut. I need to edit this page anyway, I haven't touched it in years.
Unfortunately (I'd throw in a rant here, but luckily for you there's a word limit for comments).
Yeah, again, need to edit that. *makes face*
I don't know anyone in Nanaimo, but I know how to make Nanaimo bars. Does this give me Food Cred?
You know they exist. I'd say that counts.
Speaking of which, I've been looking for a decent non-boring toque pattern to knit, specifically with cables. Do you know of any (I was surfing knitting, remember?)
I have a book called Hats On!: Warm and Winsome Hats for Knitters, by Charlene Schurch. It's got some excellent patterns in it, cabled, Fair Isle, and otherwise. I think that's where I"ve gotten most of my toque patterns for several years now.
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Date: 2008-01-04 06:08 pm (UTC)Yeah, again, need to edit that. *makes face*
Re: Rant: I was referring to Stephen Harper, in case you were thinking I was all put-out over tardy editing.
I have a book called Hats On!: Warm and Winsome Hats for Knitters, by Charlene Schurch. It's got some excellent patterns in it, cabled, Fair Isle, and otherwise. I think that's where I"ve gotten most of my toque patterns for several years now.
Fair Isle...*sigh* Must get over Chart Phobia. *makes note*
long-assed comment, Part the Second
Date: 2008-01-04 04:00 pm (UTC)Poutine is, in fact, a French-Canadian dish designed to kill off all the Anglophones by plugging their arteries.
I don't like Poutine. This makes some of my Canadian friends sad. I just don't like fries much, is all. Can't I just have the cheese and the gravy without the fries?
Definitely look up the current Canadian position on any big international thing the U.S. has gotten itself involved in
Is there a universal 'Canadian' position on anything? The Iraq war, I guess. I can't imagine the average Canadian saying 'I sure wish we'd gotten involved in that'.
12. even if you are in a political argument you are going to have to be reasonably calm and polite. You may have one issue that drives you to froth at the mouth, but that's it. Even really acrimonious debates in Canada are generally conducted calmly, which makes them even scarier than American ones.
Unless you are a politician during Question Period. Then all bets are off. I wish the US had Question Period, just so I could watch Ted Kennedy yell at George Bush.
13. You make a very convincing Canadian if you snigger at recognizable Canadian landmarks during X-Files episodes or Jackie Chan movies.
Or due South. The show is set in Chicago but anyone who has been to Toronto even once will notice the blatant not-Chicago-ness. Even if they've never been to Chicago. They did manage to avoid the CN Tower, though. There's a whole list of locations here (http://home.hiwaay.net/~warydbom/duesouth/location.htm). Also? If you haven't seen due South, you should. It's made of awesome.
14. Do not pester the damn Mounties.
Unless they look like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l0zCYUMf5s). Which they never do, I'm told. Darn.
15. Since the perception of American manners is very poor, you will stand out as being less likely to be a Yank should you make a point of apologizing regularly.
I'm a chronic apologiser, which also has nothing to do with Canada. I'm just terminally afraid of offending people, because then they might not like me. I'm also pathetic. ;)
16. get hold of a Canadian TV program like Talking To Americans and watch a couple of episodes so that you can at least cite that
Watching anything with Rick Mercer is a treat, no matter what reason you have for doing it. He's amazing, yes he is. :)
most Americans could probably be made to say that you get real fine surfing in Alberta.
There should be a T-shirt that says "SURF THE PRAIRIE". I'd wear one.
I love this list. May I link to it on my LJ? I promise that my flist is very Canadian-friendly (to say the least).
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Date: 2008-01-04 04:12 pm (UTC)The show is set in Chicago but anyone who has been to Toronto even once will notice the blatant not-Chicago-ness.
I nearly choked on my soda when I was watching Bulletproof Monk, as I was under the impression they were trying to set the movie in New York (later I was told that they had never actually said which city it was). Starting with 'But there's no subway stop for Bishop Street in New York' and immediately followed by 'If they put a fire extinguisher on the wall like that in a New York City subway, someone would steal it and use it to beat someone else to death within fifteen minutes'. So, yeah, I know how it is with the blatant not-the-right-cityness. And yes, due South rocks heavily.
I'm a chronic apologiser, which also has nothing to do with Canada. I'm just terminally afraid of offending people, because then they might not like me.
I once got yelled at by a Canadian for apologizing too much.
While we were in Manhattan.
Not sure what that says, exactly.
And sure, go ahead and link- I'm cool with that!
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Date: 2008-01-04 04:31 pm (UTC)I once got yelled at by a Canadian for apologizing too much.
While we were in Manhattan.
Not sure what that says, exactly.
I think it says more about the Canadian, actually. *g*
And sure, go ahead and link- I'm cool with that!
Yay! I'm also friending you because hey, Canada and knitting are both on my Stuff I Like list (also writing, alaska, and politics, among others). I promise I don't do two-part ultrawordy comments very often. Well, two-part comments, anyway.
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Date: 2008-01-04 04:36 pm (UTC)Friending is good! Although the knitting part reminds me that I have to make up some tassels; I finished knitting a scarf for
Re: long-assed comment, Part the Second
Date: 2008-01-04 05:26 pm (UTC)I think my last two-part post was a comment at
And okay, just the idea of Sergeant Preston of the Yukon as a prospective RP character gets you a million zillion dork points (this is a good thing, btw). I've never seen the movie, alas, but I did happen to see Nanook of the North twice, both at the Royal Ontario Museum's First People's exhibit. Which I also went to twice. I must get SOME dork points for that (I think Canadian points must have more value in the dorky exchange rate, so we both rock). You rock harder, though, because OMG, Sgt. Preston fanfic. I am SO not worthy.
Autobot insignia from Transformers knitted in illusion style so you have to look at it from the right angle to see, and I promised there'd be tassels on the ends.
Woah. And I thought my (unfinished) Slytherin scarf was cool. I did order a whole skein of qiviut, though, which I think will be very cool indeed.
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Date: 2008-01-04 05:32 pm (UTC)As for Preston, I haven't played him in years, which is a shame. He's a great character, although I admit I only know his radio canon. I tried watching an episode of the TV show and broke out in a rash at how little effort was made to make it look like the Yukon, and I've never seen the comic books.
mmm, qiviut.
Re: long-assed comment, Part the Second
Date: 2008-01-04 06:02 pm (UTC)I consider it my Sacred Duty to pimp S&A to any and all who
draw breathask.I tried watching an episode of the TV show and broke out in a rash at how little effort was made to make it look like the Yukon
Maybe there should be an AU show: Sgt. Preston of U. Conn., about a Mountie trying to further his education in the wilds of Storrs, Connecticut. I mean, honestly. Just look at their mascot (http://www.huskydirect.com/product.asp?PT_ID=59&P_ID=71824). They could even film it in Toronto for true authenticity!
mmm, qiviut.
I did some reading and decided on qiviut from Alaska. Apparently the Alaskan qiviut is combed from live animals while Canadian qiviut (spelled 'qiviuk' in a lot of places) is harvested from animals killed in Inuit hunts, and doing it that way leaves a lot of the long guard hairs in the fiber which are hell to remove. If I'm shelling out eighty bucks, I want the good stuff. Besides, even though I have no issue at all with Inuit hunting musk oxen, I'd rather not have to tell people that my nachaq came from a dead Canadian musk ox.
Re: long-assed comment, Part the Second
Date: 2008-01-04 06:11 pm (UTC)I pretty much take my qiviut where I can get it. The first I ever bought was Alaskan. There's a company in Alberta that shows up in New York around the holidays selling random qiviut products as Christmas gifts; I bought some from them last year, and this year two of my knitting friends got a skein each. pity about the exchange rate, but it was worth it to make them happy.
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Date: 2008-01-05 04:35 am (UTC)I just figured out that the nachaq I'm planning on making (it'll look like this (http://www.qiviut.com/store/index.cfm?target=NACHAQS) with a different lace design) takes more than one skein. I'll wait until I'm sure I can do it before I get the next one. Although it looks pretty easy, even with my chart phobia. If I like working with it, next year I might be seen outside a shelter with a sign that says WILL KNIT FOR FOOD. Angst and woe.