I had a plotbunny today.
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olna_jenn required me to summarize the Silmarillion so that I could explain it.
Here, therefore, is my four-page-long summary of the Ainulindale and the Quenta Silmarillion.
It uses the word 'burninated'.
olna_jenn will happily listen for however long it takes.
T. says "A good deal of that stuff is in the appendix of Return of the King."
T. says "It just misses the details. I think. I never actually finished the Silmarillion. :("
camwyn nods. "Okay. In the beginning when Eru Iluvatar created the world through song, he had the aid of beings called the Valar, who sang the mighty music in which all things were created. One of the Valar wanted to sing his own damn tune and went about singing in such a way that the harmony was destroyed. That was Melkor. He was the Big Bad, and still is- he's a Bigger Bad then Sauron. He's Sauron's boss, and in the days before there was a sun he caused an awful lot of trouble. See, in one of the very earliest stages of history the world was lit by two self-luminous trees, the loveliest lights of all- one tree silver, the other tree gold. The White Tree of Gondor is descended from the silver tree of this pair. With me so far?
olna_jenn says "Yup."
camwyn says "Right. Melkor made such an ass of himself that they changed his name to Morgoth. The Valar who entered into the world were - there were fourteen of them, and then there was Morgoth, and as is usual in such things Morgoth was a match for all bloody fourteen of them... The Elves awoke beside the waters of a great lake one night, the first sentient beings of this world who were created by Iluvatar, and the Valar were so worried about what Morgoth might do to them that they summoned the Elves to live in Valinor with them. Some went, some didn't. The ones who went lived in the Blessed Land for many years in the light of the Two Trees. Galadriel was one of them. The elves who didn't go, well, they stayed be hind in Middle Earth. Most of them were all right, but it's said that Morgoth grabbed some of these poor benighted souls and bred the Orcs from them.."
olna_jenn shudders.
camwyn says "At any rate, Morgoth decided that he was gonna give the other Valar serious problems and went into the dark places of the world and found himself the Mother Of All Giant Spiders. And I mean that *literally*. Her name was Ungoliant and she was BIGGER and SCARIER and UGLIER and MEANER than Shelob, to the point where Morgoth was seriously afraid that she might devour *him*- and him one of the ones who created the world! He convinced her to play along, and when the Valar and a bunch of the Elves were off at a festival, he got her to sneak into the place where the Two Trees were- and poisoned them both."
olna_jenn smacks him upside the head with a ded fish.
camwyn says "Which is more or less what the others wanted to do, only he got away. The Vala who was essentially goddess of plants persuaded the dying trees to put forth one last effort, and got a flower from one and a fruit from the other; these were made into the sun and moon. But the remaining light from the trees, which had the characteristic of pooling like sap, was gathered up by the greatest Elven smith to ever live: Feanor. He poured this light into three jewels of his crafting, the Silmarils."
T. says "Which was a really big mistake. ;)"
camwyn nods. "Ooooohyeah. 'cos, see, Morgoth? He wanted those jewels. And so did everybody. The Valar were thinking they might be able to revive the Trees with 'em (not the case). Morgoth wanted 'em because he was an ass. Feanor wanted them because dammit, he MADE them. And there was fighting and stomping and lots of stuff like that, and Morgoth managed to steal the fecking things, and the Valar forbid Feanor or any other elf from trying to get them back, only Feanor was too busy thinkin' with his injured pride to see sense, and he rustled up his sons (seven) and a bunch of other elves and went off to try and fight Morgoth for 'em. And there was kin-slaying among the Elves over this, and the war did not go well, oh no it did not.
olna_jenn says "Wow that just sounds oh so bad."
camwyn nods. "Did I mention the part where Feanor's boys swore an unchangeable oath and called Iluvatar as their witness, declaring that they would make unending war upon any who kept a Silmaril from them so long as the gems remained anywhere near Morgoth's reach?"
olna_jenn SIGHS.
T. thinks the Silmarils were like the proto-One Ring. EVERYONE wanted them. And the ones that didn't were noble and pure.
camwyn says "Yepyep. Oh, the trouble that stupid oath caused... anyway, eventually King Thingol of the Elves marries a woman named Melian. She's a Maia- a class of supernatural being above Elves but below Valar. Gandalf, Sauron, and Saruman were all Maiar, as were the other three wizards you didn't hear about in the movie. Thingol and Melian have a kid, and that's Luthien Tinuviel, the one that Aragorn was singing about. A mortal man, Beren, wanted to marry her. She was willing. Thingol wasn't. Thingol said 'bring me a Silmaril from the crown of Morgoth and you can have my daughter'."
olna_jenn stares.
camwyn says "Gets better."
olna_jenn says "Please don't tell me the stupid man tried."
T. just grins.
camwyn says "Beren sets off to do it. Luthien sneaks out to help him. Beren gets into Morgoth's fortress and Tinuviel uses her magic to help him do it. She eventually enchants Morgoth into sleep by her singing. Beren snuck up on him and cut off Silmaril #1. Unfortunately, the poor silly ass tried to cut off another Silmaril as well; I assume the crown was one of those hideously complex jobbies you couldn't just pick up and carry away... His knife broke as he tried, and woke the Big Bad up. Cue 'Ride of the Valkyries' as Beren runs for his life."
olna_jenn says "This is what happens when you're GREEDY."
camwyn says "Yep. Beren runs like hell and is set upon by Carcharoth the giant wolf, who bites off the poor bastard's hand. Beren manages to make it to Thingol's court. Thingol asks him about the gem, Beren says 'yep, got it in my hand even now'. Thingol asks to see it. Beren: "Can't. Hand's not here." Produces stump."
olna_jenn LAUGHS.
camwyn says "First recorded use of the word 'DOH!' in Arda, that."
olna_jenn giggles madly.
camwyn says "The wolf's going bugnuts 'cos he's burning with holy fire from within, so they have to go out and kill the beast. Beren, poor bastard, is mortally wounded and dies. Luthien wastes away of grief and dies. In the spirit-halls of the uttermost West Luthien presents herself before the judge of the dead and sings the most magnificent song that ever was or will be, and for the FIRST and ONLY time EVER, Mandos is moved to let someone go. Luthien and Beren return to the land of the living and take up residence in the world again, where they have a kid. Luthien has custody of the Silm and Feanor's surviving kids don't dare make a move against her..."
olna_jenn blinks. Ohmy.
T. thought Luthien forced herself to die so her spirit could go to the Halls of Waiting and could ransom Beren.
camwyn says "I think you're right, T.. Sorry about that."
T. says "Nice storytelling, though. Better than the real book. ;)"
camwyn grins wryly. "Thanks." She resumes. "Anyway, the kid is the first half-elf EVAR and the grandson of Thingol. When Dior's parents die, the jewel is brought to him. At which point Feanor's sons come calling and there is War and it is Bad and Dior gets killed along with a whoooooooooole lot of other people. They did not, however, get the jewel. Dior had married and produced three kids, and his daughter Elwing had married a fella name of Earendil. When Feanor's boys attacked the place where Dior and the family had lived, Elwing ran for it, and through the assistance of Ulmo the Vala of the sea she took the shape of a bird and flew to Earendil with the Silmaril on her breast.
olna_jenn says "At this point, I would like to go back in time and hit a few people with that fish again. Magical Artifacts BAD."
camwyn says "At this point Earendil knows that things just ain't gonna get any better. He was already on his way west to try and get hold of the other Valar and ask for some help against Morgoth and all the other problems. The Silmaril makes it possible for him to find his way there, and so he manages to land on the distant shore and is the first representative of both Elves and Men to do so. He pleads the case of both kindreds before the Valar, who listen and finally agree, and send a really big force that eventually breaks Morgoth's fortress and enables his overthrow...""
T. says "She's even glossing over a lot of the other horrible killings, really. :("
camwyn says "Thing is. Earendil's dad? Man. Fellow name of Tuor. Earendil's mom? Elf. Name of Idril. The Valar are NOT about to permit travel back and forth and back and forth between the Undying Lands and the rest of the world, particularly not for Men, and so they declare that anyone who's part Elven and part Mortal has to choose which of the two kindred they get counted among. Elwing's part both, too. Earendil lets her choose first, and she says elf, so he agrees to the same thing. The Valar take the guy's boat and make it as magnificent as they can, and they set the Silmaril at the prow as his light, and they put him to sailing the skies with the light of the gem as a beacon of hope to all Middle-Earth. Congrats, kiddo, you are now the Morning and the Evening Star. And this is the only Silmaril that Feanor's boys no longer get hissy over 'cos obviously it is out of Morgoth's reach."
olna_jenn says "I believe it."
camwyn says "Earendil and Elwing did, however, have two kids. We'll talk about them later... because, see, that force the Valar sent? It made it possible for Elves and Men and whatever to topple Morgoth- and what's the Dark Lord still have in his crown?"
olna_jenn parrots obediently, "Two fancy magical artifacts!"
T. says "And a big mess of iron! ;)"
A. .oO(What do babies like? Oh yeah. Babies like IRON!)
camwyn nods. "Yep yep! So, see, Feanor's boys? They raise a stink. The Valar? So not happy. I mean, sure, there's only two of Feanor's kids left ALIVE, but they're the STUBBORN ones, you know? The jewels are put in the keeping of Eonwe, who's the herald of Manwe, who's the Biggest Big of the Valar. He's the war commander. He's got the jewels in his camp. And Maedhros and Maglor, the two surviving Feanor sons? They sneak in and STEAL THEM."
camwyn says "I mean, there *was* some talk of surrendering and giving up and all, but they despaired of Iluvatar releasing them of their oath since the Big I don't exactly show up in the world, you know? So they had to keep that stinkin' oath."
olna_jenn headdesks.
camwyn says "Yep."
camwyn says "Now, a quick question. D'you remember what happened to Carcharoth?"
olna_jenn says "No."
camwyn says "Carcharoth bit off Beren's hand with the jewel in and got his INSIDES BURNINATED. Because he was BAD. Maedhros and Maglor, they go to touch the jewels, and the holy fire... well... these guys killed their kin and started wars and assaulted people at peace and lied and deceived and did all manner of horrible things to get the jewels and that does NOT MAKE THE HOLY FIRE HAPPY. And so even TOUCHING the jewels which have been carried out in their nice little casket? Pure agony."
olna_jenn says "Good!"
T. says "I wish Tolkien had used the verb 'to burninate'."
camwyn nods. "Maedhros just can't deal with this and casts himself into a fiery chasm, holding the Jewel. Maglor has a slightly more rational form of despair, and chucks his into the sea. He then vanishes from the lore, but legend says he wanders the world yet, singing laments for his despair and regret."
camwyn is going to post this summary on LJ if it's all right with you guys... "Anyway, Jenn? We are *juuuuust* about at the plotbunny."
olna_jenn says "Posting good. Plotbunny happy."
A. says "Feel free to edit my silliness out."
camwyn grins at A.. "It's okay. I might leave it in anyway... All right, Jenn. Here is the deal. The Silmarils are not like some wussy Ring of Power. Merely being cast into the Earth does not destroy them. The story goes that they remain where they are now, and will do so until the end of all things, when Morgoth- who was captured by the Valar, judged, bound hand and foot, and thrown into the Outer Darkness- returns for the final battle and attempts to destroy the world or at least conquer it one last time. They say that at his defeat the Jewels will be gathered up again and broken open by the Valar who will then use the light within to at long last rekindle the Trees at the rebuilding of the world...
camwyn says "And, well. Tolkien's Middle-Earth was conceived as a sort of precursor to our world, with Numenor being the equivalent to Atlantis. By most reckonings, the Second World War marked the beginning of ... I think maybe the Sixth Age, or Seventh. I found myself speculating just a bit about whether that might not quite be the case. Whether the world might not have been changed through the ages and come into a different guise, albeit not one that looked like our world- just a different 'modern' world. And, well... whether someone in this 'modern' other world, someone with a Deep Flight submarine, might not have gone exploring in the darkest and most secret places of the ocean - only to discover the greatest of lights, hidden lo these many ages."
olna_jenn says "that is COOL."
camwyn says "Between that and a Dante-class robot, delving in the bowels of the world, the Changed World finds more than it bargained for - and the End of the World and the Return of the Gods is triggered by the finding of the Silmarils."
olna_jenn says "Oh lord."
camwyn says "As I said. Plotbunny. See what happens when I get them?"
olna_jenn says "And I think I'm down for the count, too. And yeeeeah. I love it when you do, though."
camwyn does rather fancy the idea of Maglor meeting the submarine captain... eh, well we'll see.
olna_jenn has disconnected.
olna_jenn required me to summarize the Silmarillion so that I could explain it.Here, therefore, is my four-page-long summary of the Ainulindale and the Quenta Silmarillion.
It uses the word 'burninated'.
olna_jenn will happily listen for however long it takes.T. says "A good deal of that stuff is in the appendix of Return of the King."
T. says "It just misses the details. I think. I never actually finished the Silmarillion. :("
camwyn nods. "Okay. In the beginning when Eru Iluvatar created the world through song, he had the aid of beings called the Valar, who sang the mighty music in which all things were created. One of the Valar wanted to sing his own damn tune and went about singing in such a way that the harmony was destroyed. That was Melkor. He was the Big Bad, and still is- he's a Bigger Bad then Sauron. He's Sauron's boss, and in the days before there was a sun he caused an awful lot of trouble. See, in one of the very earliest stages of history the world was lit by two self-luminous trees, the loveliest lights of all- one tree silver, the other tree gold. The White Tree of Gondor is descended from the silver tree of this pair. With me so far?olna_jenn says "Yup."camwyn says "Right. Melkor made such an ass of himself that they changed his name to Morgoth. The Valar who entered into the world were - there were fourteen of them, and then there was Morgoth, and as is usual in such things Morgoth was a match for all bloody fourteen of them... The Elves awoke beside the waters of a great lake one night, the first sentient beings of this world who were created by Iluvatar, and the Valar were so worried about what Morgoth might do to them that they summoned the Elves to live in Valinor with them. Some went, some didn't. The ones who went lived in the Blessed Land for many years in the light of the Two Trees. Galadriel was one of them. The elves who didn't go, well, they stayed be hind in Middle Earth. Most of them were all right, but it's said that Morgoth grabbed some of these poor benighted souls and bred the Orcs from them.."olna_jenn shudders.camwyn says "At any rate, Morgoth decided that he was gonna give the other Valar serious problems and went into the dark places of the world and found himself the Mother Of All Giant Spiders. And I mean that *literally*. Her name was Ungoliant and she was BIGGER and SCARIER and UGLIER and MEANER than Shelob, to the point where Morgoth was seriously afraid that she might devour *him*- and him one of the ones who created the world! He convinced her to play along, and when the Valar and a bunch of the Elves were off at a festival, he got her to sneak into the place where the Two Trees were- and poisoned them both."olna_jenn smacks him upside the head with a ded fish.camwyn says "Which is more or less what the others wanted to do, only he got away. The Vala who was essentially goddess of plants persuaded the dying trees to put forth one last effort, and got a flower from one and a fruit from the other; these were made into the sun and moon. But the remaining light from the trees, which had the characteristic of pooling like sap, was gathered up by the greatest Elven smith to ever live: Feanor. He poured this light into three jewels of his crafting, the Silmarils."T. says "Which was a really big mistake. ;)"
camwyn nods. "Ooooohyeah. 'cos, see, Morgoth? He wanted those jewels. And so did everybody. The Valar were thinking they might be able to revive the Trees with 'em (not the case). Morgoth wanted 'em because he was an ass. Feanor wanted them because dammit, he MADE them. And there was fighting and stomping and lots of stuff like that, and Morgoth managed to steal the fecking things, and the Valar forbid Feanor or any other elf from trying to get them back, only Feanor was too busy thinkin' with his injured pride to see sense, and he rustled up his sons (seven) and a bunch of other elves and went off to try and fight Morgoth for 'em. And there was kin-slaying among the Elves over this, and the war did not go well, oh no it did not.olna_jenn says "Wow that just sounds oh so bad."camwyn nods. "Did I mention the part where Feanor's boys swore an unchangeable oath and called Iluvatar as their witness, declaring that they would make unending war upon any who kept a Silmaril from them so long as the gems remained anywhere near Morgoth's reach?"olna_jenn SIGHS.T. thinks the Silmarils were like the proto-One Ring. EVERYONE wanted them. And the ones that didn't were noble and pure.
camwyn says "Yepyep. Oh, the trouble that stupid oath caused... anyway, eventually King Thingol of the Elves marries a woman named Melian. She's a Maia- a class of supernatural being above Elves but below Valar. Gandalf, Sauron, and Saruman were all Maiar, as were the other three wizards you didn't hear about in the movie. Thingol and Melian have a kid, and that's Luthien Tinuviel, the one that Aragorn was singing about. A mortal man, Beren, wanted to marry her. She was willing. Thingol wasn't. Thingol said 'bring me a Silmaril from the crown of Morgoth and you can have my daughter'."olna_jenn stares.camwyn says "Gets better."olna_jenn says "Please don't tell me the stupid man tried."T. just grins.
camwyn says "Beren sets off to do it. Luthien sneaks out to help him. Beren gets into Morgoth's fortress and Tinuviel uses her magic to help him do it. She eventually enchants Morgoth into sleep by her singing. Beren snuck up on him and cut off Silmaril #1. Unfortunately, the poor silly ass tried to cut off another Silmaril as well; I assume the crown was one of those hideously complex jobbies you couldn't just pick up and carry away... His knife broke as he tried, and woke the Big Bad up. Cue 'Ride of the Valkyries' as Beren runs for his life."olna_jenn says "This is what happens when you're GREEDY."camwyn says "Yep. Beren runs like hell and is set upon by Carcharoth the giant wolf, who bites off the poor bastard's hand. Beren manages to make it to Thingol's court. Thingol asks him about the gem, Beren says 'yep, got it in my hand even now'. Thingol asks to see it. Beren: "Can't. Hand's not here." Produces stump."olna_jenn LAUGHS.camwyn says "First recorded use of the word 'DOH!' in Arda, that."olna_jenn giggles madly.camwyn says "The wolf's going bugnuts 'cos he's burning with holy fire from within, so they have to go out and kill the beast. Beren, poor bastard, is mortally wounded and dies. Luthien wastes away of grief and dies. In the spirit-halls of the uttermost West Luthien presents herself before the judge of the dead and sings the most magnificent song that ever was or will be, and for the FIRST and ONLY time EVER, Mandos is moved to let someone go. Luthien and Beren return to the land of the living and take up residence in the world again, where they have a kid. Luthien has custody of the Silm and Feanor's surviving kids don't dare make a move against her..."olna_jenn blinks. Ohmy.T. thought Luthien forced herself to die so her spirit could go to the Halls of Waiting and could ransom Beren.
camwyn says "I think you're right, T.. Sorry about that."T. says "Nice storytelling, though. Better than the real book. ;)"
camwyn grins wryly. "Thanks." She resumes. "Anyway, the kid is the first half-elf EVAR and the grandson of Thingol. When Dior's parents die, the jewel is brought to him. At which point Feanor's sons come calling and there is War and it is Bad and Dior gets killed along with a whoooooooooole lot of other people. They did not, however, get the jewel. Dior had married and produced three kids, and his daughter Elwing had married a fella name of Earendil. When Feanor's boys attacked the place where Dior and the family had lived, Elwing ran for it, and through the assistance of Ulmo the Vala of the sea she took the shape of a bird and flew to Earendil with the Silmaril on her breast.olna_jenn says "At this point, I would like to go back in time and hit a few people with that fish again. Magical Artifacts BAD."camwyn says "At this point Earendil knows that things just ain't gonna get any better. He was already on his way west to try and get hold of the other Valar and ask for some help against Morgoth and all the other problems. The Silmaril makes it possible for him to find his way there, and so he manages to land on the distant shore and is the first representative of both Elves and Men to do so. He pleads the case of both kindreds before the Valar, who listen and finally agree, and send a really big force that eventually breaks Morgoth's fortress and enables his overthrow...""T. says "She's even glossing over a lot of the other horrible killings, really. :("
camwyn says "Thing is. Earendil's dad? Man. Fellow name of Tuor. Earendil's mom? Elf. Name of Idril. The Valar are NOT about to permit travel back and forth and back and forth between the Undying Lands and the rest of the world, particularly not for Men, and so they declare that anyone who's part Elven and part Mortal has to choose which of the two kindred they get counted among. Elwing's part both, too. Earendil lets her choose first, and she says elf, so he agrees to the same thing. The Valar take the guy's boat and make it as magnificent as they can, and they set the Silmaril at the prow as his light, and they put him to sailing the skies with the light of the gem as a beacon of hope to all Middle-Earth. Congrats, kiddo, you are now the Morning and the Evening Star. And this is the only Silmaril that Feanor's boys no longer get hissy over 'cos obviously it is out of Morgoth's reach."olna_jenn says "I believe it."camwyn says "Earendil and Elwing did, however, have two kids. We'll talk about them later... because, see, that force the Valar sent? It made it possible for Elves and Men and whatever to topple Morgoth- and what's the Dark Lord still have in his crown?"olna_jenn parrots obediently, "Two fancy magical artifacts!"T. says "And a big mess of iron! ;)"
A. .oO(What do babies like? Oh yeah. Babies like IRON!)
camwyn nods. "Yep yep! So, see, Feanor's boys? They raise a stink. The Valar? So not happy. I mean, sure, there's only two of Feanor's kids left ALIVE, but they're the STUBBORN ones, you know? The jewels are put in the keeping of Eonwe, who's the herald of Manwe, who's the Biggest Big of the Valar. He's the war commander. He's got the jewels in his camp. And Maedhros and Maglor, the two surviving Feanor sons? They sneak in and STEAL THEM."camwyn says "I mean, there *was* some talk of surrendering and giving up and all, but they despaired of Iluvatar releasing them of their oath since the Big I don't exactly show up in the world, you know? So they had to keep that stinkin' oath."olna_jenn headdesks.camwyn says "Yep."camwyn says "Now, a quick question. D'you remember what happened to Carcharoth?"olna_jenn says "No."camwyn says "Carcharoth bit off Beren's hand with the jewel in and got his INSIDES BURNINATED. Because he was BAD. Maedhros and Maglor, they go to touch the jewels, and the holy fire... well... these guys killed their kin and started wars and assaulted people at peace and lied and deceived and did all manner of horrible things to get the jewels and that does NOT MAKE THE HOLY FIRE HAPPY. And so even TOUCHING the jewels which have been carried out in their nice little casket? Pure agony."olna_jenn says "Good!"T. says "I wish Tolkien had used the verb 'to burninate'."
camwyn nods. "Maedhros just can't deal with this and casts himself into a fiery chasm, holding the Jewel. Maglor has a slightly more rational form of despair, and chucks his into the sea. He then vanishes from the lore, but legend says he wanders the world yet, singing laments for his despair and regret."camwyn is going to post this summary on LJ if it's all right with you guys... "Anyway, Jenn? We are *juuuuust* about at the plotbunny."olna_jenn says "Posting good. Plotbunny happy."A. says "Feel free to edit my silliness out."
camwyn grins at A.. "It's okay. I might leave it in anyway... All right, Jenn. Here is the deal. The Silmarils are not like some wussy Ring of Power. Merely being cast into the Earth does not destroy them. The story goes that they remain where they are now, and will do so until the end of all things, when Morgoth- who was captured by the Valar, judged, bound hand and foot, and thrown into the Outer Darkness- returns for the final battle and attempts to destroy the world or at least conquer it one last time. They say that at his defeat the Jewels will be gathered up again and broken open by the Valar who will then use the light within to at long last rekindle the Trees at the rebuilding of the world...camwyn says "And, well. Tolkien's Middle-Earth was conceived as a sort of precursor to our world, with Numenor being the equivalent to Atlantis. By most reckonings, the Second World War marked the beginning of ... I think maybe the Sixth Age, or Seventh. I found myself speculating just a bit about whether that might not quite be the case. Whether the world might not have been changed through the ages and come into a different guise, albeit not one that looked like our world- just a different 'modern' world. And, well... whether someone in this 'modern' other world, someone with a Deep Flight submarine, might not have gone exploring in the darkest and most secret places of the ocean - only to discover the greatest of lights, hidden lo these many ages."olna_jenn says "that is COOL."camwyn says "Between that and a Dante-class robot, delving in the bowels of the world, the Changed World finds more than it bargained for - and the End of the World and the Return of the Gods is triggered by the finding of the Silmarils."olna_jenn says "Oh lord."camwyn says "As I said. Plotbunny. See what happens when I get them?"olna_jenn says "And I think I'm down for the count, too. And yeeeeah. I love it when you do, though."camwyn does rather fancy the idea of Maglor meeting the submarine captain... eh, well we'll see.olna_jenn has disconnected.
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Date: 2004-02-16 09:00 pm (UTC)*crosses fingers*
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Date: 2004-02-16 09:24 pm (UTC)If someone else can give this bunny a better home than I can, please, let me know. Right now I've got Hellblazer: Hogwarts, Diary of a Mountie, What I Did On My Summer Holidays, and two original pieces trying to burn their ways out of my head. Returning the Valar to a quasi-modern world that had forgotten them would eat up everything that remains of my brain.
On the other hand, if I finish some of the other stuff... well.
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Date: 2004-02-16 09:29 pm (UTC)I'd write it; but honestly, my writing sucks. I haven't written anything in well nigh two years. I checked out some of your FA work - I really loved Arctic Fires. That was an amazing idea; where'd you come up with it?
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Date: 2004-02-16 09:43 pm (UTC)I didn't think the Polar ice cap idea quite worked- if only because ice fluctuates- but regularly spaced fires maintained as a public network stuck with me. I'm hopelessly in love with Canada, so they got to have the Firekeepers Service. As for the honoured guest... it was mid-December, I think, and I'd been listening to a CD I'd burned of my favourite Christmas music. Specifically, "God Rest ye Merry Three Kings" (BNL/Sarah MacLaughlin), "Christmas Canon" (Trans-Siberian Orchestra), and "Father Christmas" (Greg Lake). When the songs and the idea of a whooooooole lotta Time Turners both hit my brain at once, the story just sort of naturally came from there.
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Date: 2004-02-16 11:04 pm (UTC)(And for the record, my "No" was for reading Hellboy, not remembering C. However, it was directly responsible for the use of "to burninate", so WHOOO!)
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Date: 2004-02-17 12:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-02-17 03:16 am (UTC)Brilliant - I've always wanted to read the Silm with the word 'burninate' in it. :D
But as an insane Feanor fangirl, I feel duty-bound to point out that he captured the light of the Trees before Ungoliant and Morgoth came calling - the Valar asked him to use the light to help repair the Trees, but he refused because they tried to make him and because his father died. I think. Meh. ^_^
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Date: 2004-02-17 04:44 am (UTC)If we instead assume that Arda Changed evolves into a different 'modern' setting, then there's not necessarily any reason for Minas Tirith to vanish. I mean, Xi'an is still an active city in China; it's just not the capital any more. Without Kings of the caliber of Aragorn and possibly Eldarion, Minas Tirith fades from prominence and newer cities arise- but Minas Tirith continues to exist.
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Date: 2004-02-17 11:26 am (UTC)However, if Minas Tirth is still there, you're going to need more thougt. Going by the movies (sorry, the books irritated me with all the songs and poetry) Minas Tirth is built in and on a mountain. A really big fucking mountain. Hiding it would be quite the accomplishment.
Another option would be that Minas Tirth is indeed still there, but much of it has been replaced. Stone with steel, gates haven't been closed in so long, nobody even knows they're gates and, and so forth. It would even have a different name.
But most importantly, the secrets Aragon and company left behind, locked away in the palace vaults, are still there. Vaults no one ever found . . .
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Date: 2004-04-25 12:36 am (UTC)Remember also that Minas Tirth is right at Mordor's front Door and Mount Doom is always active. There's your volcano. Minas Tirth is just a byproduct.